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Message # 82499 66.119.33.135 Sun Feb 16 01:44:45 2003 |
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Message # 82498 66.119.33.135 Sun Feb 16 01:41:06 2003 |
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Message # 82497 170.224.224.134 Sun Feb 16 01:38:01 2003 |
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Still charging there BigRed...but getting closer...hehe Message # 82496 68.164.23.210 Sun Feb 16 01:37:28 2003 |
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Donald, I sent you an email a minute ago about a great search engine resource I found. Que Paso Mr. Yum? Get those FPAs built or are you still charging through them? Message # 82495 24.243.228.112 Sun Feb 16 01:34:07 2003 |
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Your disclaimer/warning is a bit unfinished... and it sends surfers to a sponsor's webmaster page. That's a strange place to send surfers. On your gallery pages, the text might be considered blind by some link lists. That's why it might not get listed... I'll leave why it might not make sales to someone more awake than me right now... I'm going to bed. :-) Message # 82494 64.135.203.234 Sun Feb 16 01:33:05 2003 |
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Getting an education on clothes pins a zippers. ZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP OOOOOOOUUUUCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! LOL Message # 82493 66.119.33.170 Sun Feb 16 01:28:19 2003 |
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All I can say is Wow! Great posts all night! I know it`s helped me put a few more pieces together. May be time to peruse the OT archives again soon! There is some excellent stuff in there. When I feel I gain new insight I like to go back and rehash things I`ve read and seen to get those bits that I`m ready to digest. I must say whenever I`m silently kicking rocks this place always seems to get me to look up again and get back to climbing the mountain! BigRed your question about dmoz and other se listings, your answer as far as my experience goes... Not neccessarily. Each of the engines seems to pick up the listings to some degree. Some more than others. None the less those that do make it worthwhile. And when you think about it even for those search engines that may not use the directory the links are there for their spiders to find or simply add more relevancy to your page. Message # 82492 24.51.20.124 Sun Feb 16 01:26:18 2003 |
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How you doin tonight bud? I'm doin good here...just getting some work done.. GF is fast asleep...hehe Message # 82491 68.164.23.210 Sun Feb 16 01:22:36 2003 |
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Yep, learnin' loads tonight. How are you and the GF doin? Hi Kilamani, How you doin. I think there's enough experts around tonight that you'll get some good advice. : ) Message # 82490 170.224.224.134 Sun Feb 16 01:19:11 2003 |
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Thanks for any help. Message # 82489 4.47.57.104 Sun Feb 16 00:58:30 2003 |
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Wow...nice long discussion on bdsm :) A niche I've never touched...but looks like LOTS of good info floating around here today...cool :) Off to get some work done :) Message # 82488 68.164.23.210 Sun Feb 16 00:57:27 2003 |
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researching is the best thing you can do. I think with most of the niche stuff, you can sell it a lot better if you know something about the niche. I review sites that I think probably aren't going to make any money at all simply because it's so obvious the webmaster didn't have a clue what he was talking about and puts the wrong kinds of ads on a targeted niche. Message # 82487 64.135.203.234 Sun Feb 16 00:53:41 2003 |
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Message # 82486 64.135.203.234 Sun Feb 16 00:39:53 2003 |
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I really don't know... most of the time I try to use different keywords or combinations in the alt tags. if you had a large text page up, it could very well have a keyword in it more than 10 times, and still get listed, so I really don't know what they go by as a guide for spam. Message # 82485 64.135.203.234 Sun Feb 16 00:36:35 2003 |
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The Open Directory is the most widely distributed data base of Web content classified by humans. Its editorial standards body of net-citizens provide the collective brain behind resource discovery on the Web. The Open Directory powers the core directory services for the Web's largest and most popular search engines and portals, including Netscape Search, AOL Search, Google, Lycos, HotBot, DirectHit, and hundreds of others. Does this mean that once your submitted info is organized and put into its proper place by the staff at dmoz that the search engines that use its core directory services will automatically list your submission because dmoz gave it to them? Message # 82484 24.243.228.112 Sun Feb 16 00:34:06 2003 |
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Good question BigRed, I never thought about it. I hope not cause I do it all the time. Message # 82483 170.224.224.38 Sun Feb 16 00:30:15 2003 |
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I have a question for you about alt tags. If you used the same alt tags on each pic in a 10 pic gallery, would the SEs treat it as spam or does it treat each pic as completely unique and independent? Message # 82482 24.243.228.112 Sun Feb 16 00:25:53 2003 |
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OT..a several page paysite tour with each page connected with an underlaying theme..but with each page it's own world in which it plays on a set subniche/theme it's self..and since each page of the tour can be linked to..that leaves the opening for many different themes and linking possiblities.. cryptic i know... simplier version would be to say a 3-4 page tour with each page in it's self playing out a fantasy/illusion/situation with the under laying strong theme of BDSM for the lady surfer.. definitly not related to any othe niche in it's presentations..but unique to BDSM such ones should include the sub view the Dom view the empowerment view etc.. with each page stressing the sites items for memebers from the point of view of getting this/these on a premium level...and the aspect of that item that would be most appealing, and something the bulk of surfer(the curious) would find teasing enough to join for as well.. a mix between text and graphics would be a must..neither alone would do it.. that's what i was reffering to :) yea could work out well.. Message # 82481 148.78.245.12 Sun Feb 16 00:07:44 2003 |
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I read your conversation with BareMistress, It's more of a passion for you than a money maker, I'm sure. I just want to do some reading and research into the bdsm niche. Not having expeianced the lifestyle myself, other than a little handcuff action. I really don't feel I know what I'm talking about when I'm trying to make text links. So I'm just looking for a better understanding of it. I used to love writting horror stories, I'm gonna get back into that one day. A writters stories are a special thing even in fiction a peice of your heart goes into each story. I kind of understand that passion. : ) Message # 82480 216.148.246.70 Sat Feb 15 23:59:39 2003 |
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Message # 82479 64.135.203.234 Sat Feb 15 23:46:11 2003 |
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Message # 82478 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 23:45:34 2003 |
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Message # 82477 170.224.224.38 Sat Feb 15 23:31:38 2003 |
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Message # 82476 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 23:24:46 2003 |
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Message # 82475 66.119.33.135 Sat Feb 15 23:21:04 2003 |
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http://www.jojasa.com/jostories/mainpage.html http://www.old-tom.com/playground/storypg.html http://www.whiping.com/ http://www.vnwr.com/oldtom/thesurf.html http://www.vnwr.com/party/ http://www.hotterpics.com/fotb/week1/page1.html We have more stuff laying around here and there, but the above should get you two or three hundred html pages Check the Old Tom's Insights page in the VNWR resources area for thoughts on *marketing* BDSM sites. MorganaX has a lot of material at dungeonofmists.com, and we took a close look at BareMistress's site on the board here a week or so ago. :-) Message # 82474 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 23:16:03 2003 |
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Message # 82473 216.148.244.38 Sat Feb 15 23:04:05 2003 |
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I'm learning about clothes pins, and text. hehehe I wish high school had been this much fun, I might not of dropped out. Message # 82472 170.224.224.102 Sat Feb 15 23:00:48 2003 |
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my stuff is at jojasa.com there's a link there (you can't miss it) to Old Tom's stories. There's also another group of his stories up but at the moment i can't remember the url. Message # 82471 64.135.203.234 Sat Feb 15 22:56:13 2003 |
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And don't worry bout me quiting, I don't give up till being draged out bloody and dead.<a medi4> Message # 82470 66.119.33.135 Sat Feb 15 22:49:05 2003 |
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learning and building. Could I ask you to post or email me the url to Jojasa's and your story sites. This is fasinating to me. Thank you : ) Message # 82469 66.119.33.135 Sat Feb 15 22:44:23 2003 |
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I get the sense that you folks have been very bad and you need to be spanked:-) LOL Mr. Yum, very cool on your sales. Would you mind posting the link to the site that you're referring to? I would love to check out the layout and your text, etc. Donald, you'll (we'll) make it happen. The thing is to never quit. Kudos to you. Caio Message # 82468 24.243.228.112 Sat Feb 15 22:42:41 2003 |
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:-) Message # 82467 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 22:38:07 2003 |
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Message # 82466 64.135.203.234 Sat Feb 15 22:34:37 2003 |
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Well. :-) At Internext, it's simple and obvious. Lady Sharlot wanders by, handing out clothespins. Tamara of Amateur Slaves ( http://www.sex-pics-planet.com/sexy/bondagex.html ) pulls her top down at every opportunity to show off her breasts. On pops the clothespin. Repeatedly. Simple. How, in general? It's remarkably simple. Develop, or induce, a curiosity. Handled correctly, curiosity can have a powerful pull. Here's what I mean. When I engage in BDSM play, I usually play in public, with others watching. This gives the person I'm playing with an added factor of safety. She needn't worry about something going wrong in private with no witnesses. She can more easily relax because of this "safety net". Meanwhile, the audience can judge *my* expertise, and observe how I handle the scene. They can become familiar with my style of play. It's *precisely* as Snoops describes in Message # 82461. The woman observing can project herself into the scene. If she likes the result, there you are. The curiosity or desire has been induced. She can *see* the experience unfolding before her, and may decide she desires a taste thereof. Because I already have my Jojasa, she need not feel pressured to take it or leave it. We can safely play the scene according to her interest and curiosity, and leave it at that. Or, I can leave her alone entirely! (And when she realizes that, she's quite possibly hooked...) Again, it's *exactly* as Snoops describes. It's the mind game, the head space. It's being "reluctantly" led where she wants to go. Pain in various forms, is a tool to get her there. Sometimes I use overwhelming pain (in safe sane consensual fashion), quit the opposite. At these times there is generally no so-called boundary between pain and pleasure. Pain exists, sure, but it is merely one category of sensation. As is light, and heat, and sound, and taste. I seem to have digressed :) The question is, what does *she* want out of the scene, or the relationship? What tools can you use to take her there? Perhaps clothespins, perhaps not. But first, does she feel safe and secure with the situation? Do you have (and have you DEMONSTRATED) whatever expertise the scene requires? Can she relax, and release control of the scene? Do you have sufficient rapport to go through the scene *together*? Funny thing. I don't have any clothespins of my own. The ones on whom I use them, bring their own. I bring my own canes :) Message # 82465 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 22:06:40 2003 |
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Message # 82464 205.188.209.138 Sat Feb 15 21:56:39 2003 |
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Message # 82463 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:41:07 2003 |
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Message # 82462 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:39:18 2003 |
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If you remember one thing when designing the site/tour then you've got it made. For women it's the mind game that is such a turnon in the bdsm realm. If she's a submissive, seeing pics of women in situations *she could place herself in* would work beautifully. If she's a domme - seeing a woman in the role she could place herself in is one turnon - and the *results* (ie: the effects on the submissive male) are pretty sure bets. It's *usually* (there are always exceptions) not the "pain", not the clothing, not *what* the guys look like - it's the vulnerability (for subs) - the vulnerability is what turns them on. For the dommes - it's more the power. (and, um, er, since I'm waaay more sub than domme, there's prolly more to it than this that I have NO clue about) But, remember that the key (imo) in marketing to women is to SET UP the mental fantasy - give them a jumping off point. They don't need a cumshot pic in their face in order to make the trip to a satisfying orgasm. They just need a starting point, a flow, a story....the mental/scenario/emotional setup. That's my one penny raw anyway :o) Message # 82461 148.78.249.33 Sat Feb 15 21:38:58 2003 |
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Message # 82460 66.119.33.170 Sat Feb 15 21:32:36 2003 |
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Alan Message # 82449 152.163.213.209 Sat Feb 15 20:52:12 2003 Alan: did you know that gay bondage can be quite a turnon for a femdom? feminization is also a big turnon for wannabe male submissives online. *grin* >i was thinking long the lines of what illusion to present to them..text and graphics in the right balance for the lady surfer.. that should be easy for Old Tom. his D/s stories keep femsubs squirming. i'd think that the "damsel in distress" angle would work. hmmm...one picture comes to mind....a naked femsub bound with arms stretched high. her eyes have a tinge of fear as she leans into Master's gentle carress against her cheek. of course, he's fully clothed in black with a cane in his right hand at the same time. okay, guys, i'm trying to get some work done while my household is relatively empty. gonna shut this window before the distractions continue. great discussion though...of course...lol stressless profits everybody! Message # 82459 24.25.250.135 Sat Feb 15 21:27:44 2003 |
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In real-life play it's remarkably simple. And yes that last sentence was bait! Take care when referring to anything having to do with a woman, as simple. As I said, in real life it's remarkably simple. It's painting the illusion on a single html page that's tricky. Or, catching just the right emotional response. I'm thinking about using my brand-new "clothespins on nipples" haiku on a page featuring an obviously American woman in Japanese-style bondage, in hopes the balanced dichotomy will trigger suitable response. I will, naturally, back the approach with a closeup of the same woman with her legs tied wide. Did I ever post my 'sit down caning' essay? Maybe not. It explains some of the remarkable simplicity. Message # 82458 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:25:51 2003 |
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She gave me that look, you know the "I know you did'nt just ask me that" look. and said "You can put one on me for every ten I get to pull off the head of your peter first." LOL Don't guess I'm gonna research that one with her. LOL Message # 82457 66.119.34.39 Sat Feb 15 21:17:37 2003 |
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:-) Voltar - what illusion? I'm sure it could be done. Check the covers of women's magazines and romance novels. Perhaps, if there are any women around (or reasonable facsimiles), we could ask? Message # 82456 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:15:32 2003 |
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Can you draw the person into the illusion or fantasy? Can you draw them into their own memory of the first time they experienced (whatever)? Or how much they would *like* to experience whatever? This approach works for darn near every niche. For teen, hark back to your first fumblings with Sally on Inspiration Point. (To anyone who thinks of asking: I don't know who the hell is Sally.) For babes, remember the Beach Boys tune, "I wish they all could beat California Girls." They painted a picture of the delights of northern girls, etc etc. Of course that song also works for BDSM themes: "I wish we all could beat California Girls." Be careful of mentioning copyrighted or trademarked items on porn sites of course! Can you draw out an emotional response? Painting the illusion as above is one way. If the content or illusion is a major turn-on, show 'em where to get it ALL, and get it all RIGHT NOW. As you paint the picture, are you appealing to sight, hearing, touch, relationship? Sure, they can picture it. Can they *feel* it? Can you picture rubbing your hands across those luscious all-natural perky young breasts, awash in pretzels and beer vomit? How does it feel knowing she'll take it and keep taking it, because she's bought and paid for, and besides she's your sister? Yeah I know, FUCK the relationship. Look at those HOOTERS!!!! :-) Message # 82455 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:11:29 2003 |
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i was thinking long the lines of what illusion to present to them..text and graphics in the right balance for the lady surfer.. and yea i think it could be done right..a few special ties in as well to bring things home.. :) Donald..cool man! Morgana..yeppers..and every word meant :) Thanks! amber..cool..glad you got it worked out.. i was just out doing some submissions :) Alan..hahaha... here's a true story that you should gt a laugh out of..well many here will.. Old Tom and Jojasa where in town this one weekend..and was going to a BDSM Munch.. on the way in the door to the restuarant..i let them know a little something..i had just finished taking a shower before meeting them..and the shampo i had used with called..of all things.."Simply Vanilla" :) hahaha.. it give Jojasa a cute laugh from it :) back to doing some submits for me.. Message # 82454 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 21:07:45 2003 |
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By the by, punishment is not necessarily fun. Message # 82453 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 21:05:34 2003 |
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Message # 82452 67.84.42.119 Sat Feb 15 20:57:24 2003 |
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Yes I definitely enjoy having you here :))) Message # 82451 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:53:31 2003 |
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Message # 82450 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:52:29 2003 |
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:-) _____________________________________________ And please everyone know I am joking when I say this, the word STRAIGHT and me DO NOT go together LMFAO, havnt u seen my pics in drag hehe :)~ (((HUGS))) Message # 82449 152.163.213.209 Sat Feb 15 20:52:12 2003 |
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There are a number of vanilla (non-BDSM) for-women sites out there. There are a number of lesbian sites out there, which I presume are designed for men. The for-women BDSM sites I'm aware of, are text based. Stories. Romance and relationship rather than eye candy. Message # 82448 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:51:00 2003 |
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Cool Old Tom. Message # 82447 66.119.33.135 Sat Feb 15 20:49:40 2003 |
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LOL.. WEll, took hours to solve the problem..but script is up and working and configured..:) Ihave a corrupt file and she finally got back to me a few hours ago.,. Now..where were you guys..spanking..? Message # 82446 67.84.42.119 Sat Feb 15 20:48:51 2003 |
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:-) Message # 82445 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:45:35 2003 |
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You can but submit, and feel. Click sponsor right here. Hi MorganaX! Hee hee!! Message # 82444 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:44:07 2003 |
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Place them slowly pair by pair, Two high then two low. Message # 82443 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:39:41 2003 |
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OldTom: great post...just when i'd wondered if i'd become too desensitized for this business...hehe...thank you for the..ahem...motivation. Message # 82442 24.25.250.135 Sat Feb 15 20:37:42 2003 |
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Message # 82441 152.163.213.209 Sat Feb 15 20:34:59 2003 |
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I knew you'd have a hard time staying away from this also..it's that way with passions :) some good info there that you shared..for those who read it and see what is really there :) makes me wonder about a womans tour for a BDSM site..would be the first of it's kind..hhhmmm... the right approach..could be very interesting... :) Donald..thanks..and do look past the mines better than yours thing(if you havn't)..that all is beside the point..what i am hoping you do, is look into those..and see if mental images appear..if so then thats what painting that illusion is to you..try to do that with your html and text.. that will bring it out into the surfers mind..see the first one i wrote..see how it gives you almost a comical image..but unforgetable in a surfers mind..that type of appeal to the surfer is a connecting point between you and sales.. :) Message # 82440 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 20:34:56 2003 |
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I slap them off, one by one. She shudders and cries. Message # 82439 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:33:59 2003 |
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There are some subtleties which remain unmentioned. But not for long :) Both Spider and Lady Sharlot know about placing clothespins, and they have the pictures to prove it. They've placed far more clothespins than I have. But I've still had fun from time to time... I recall one woman who hadn't played with clothespins before. She popped one on her hand; no big deal. Her assignment, though, was to place one on her nipple for 60 seconds. So, she popped it on, expecting little difference. My was she surprised! But she stayed with it, puffing and blowing and fanning herself with her hands, while her eyes got really big. At the end of sixty seconds she yanked the clothespin off. That's when she learned something ELSE about clothespins :))) Have you ever had your hands get really cold? (That's not hard to accomplish during a Minnesota winter.) What happens when they warm back up and the circulation returns? They really burn! As the clothespin pinches, it cuts off the circulation. If you leave it on long enough, it stops hurting, as the area becomes somewhat numb. Until you remove the clothespin. Then the burn hits - hard - and there is NOTHING you can do about it. In the case of our lady mentioned above, she'd now done one clothespin on one nipple. As Jojasa so carefully explained to me years ago, one MUST remain balanced and even. Our lady could now think about placing the other clothespin on the other nipple, and then spend her sixty seconds anticipating having to take it back off. Once a clothespin has stayed on long enough that it doesn't hurt so much, you KNOW it will hurt a whole lot more to take it off. But it has to come off eventually... so, as you can see, a large part of clothespin play is anticipation and dread. It's fun to remove clothespins with a riding crop. If you're gentle, and just tap the clothespin, that just makes things worse. The clothespin doesn't lose its grip; it just tugs in reaction to the stroke of the riding crop. Naturally, I do several gentle strokes, so that she can appreciate the value of a good hard slashing stroke to remove the clothespin. This is particularly true when the clothespins are placed on breasts. Assuming you have several clothespins to work with, the riding crop becomes an adventure. When you're doing good hard slashing strokes of a riding crop that close to a woman's breast - and face - you'll find you have her focused attention. Not to mention being wrapped up in the sensations endemic to having clothespins knocked off - or not - with a riding crop. Naturally, being me, I prefer clothespin removal via cane rather than riding crop. It's far trickier to use a cane, without benefit of the crop's wide slapper. As with the crop, gentle taps merely make it worse. The cane stroke must be a solid one, to dislodge the clothespin. As I said, the cane is much trickier. I often miss. When the cane's tip touches the breast - solidly, next to the clothespin still in place - the sensation gets noticed. Then I explain that the problem *might* have been that she moved. An eighth of an inch would be enough movement. It's fun to watch a woman trying her best to keep her breasts absolutely motionless and her hands out of the way as the cane swishes right in front of her face! Failing that, it's easy enough to simply have her hold her breast up and steady for the next stroke. Unfortunately people are catching on. People have figured out that not one of those missed strokes is by accident. I'll have to think of something else :) What about the clothespin designs you see in pictures? Do they have a point, or are they for show? Both! Balance and aesthetics actually are important. You can do a rainbow design with plastic clothespins. You can go for the dramatic pincushion effect. (Can you recite Peter Piper with 12 or more clothespins on your tongue? And, have you ever wondered what kind of bush produces *pickled* peppers ready for picking?) You can use them simply for precision "painplay". That is, you can carefully place a clothespin here or there to produce a sensation. You can go for the sweeping sensations of a Zipper, just as Jojasa describes. You can get metaphysical, placing the clothespins along the acupuncture "lines of force". The way *I* use them, is more as a tool for the mind games. By manipulating the physical sensations, I induce and control the emotional reactions. Message # 82438 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 20:22:12 2003 |
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They are alot better than what I had. Thanks again. : ) Message # 82437 170.224.224.38 Sat Feb 15 20:21:37 2003 |
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<GRIN> and thanks for the complaments on them...from you that is very high and charished praise and much appreciated from me.. Newbies..if you didn't know..MorganaX here "knows" her stuff when it comes to BDSM! her and I have known each other for a very long time..i remember writing her an email for more information about the BDSM niche and lifestyle...several years back...she helpped me learn what view points and a few other things..that the surfer coming from and interested in BDSM were all about.. you see newbies...part of your job as a webaster is finding out about the niches you promote..finding out what is the selling points..the motivation..what goes on inside the skins of the surfers..and taking that and creating the illusion/mind set and walking them home to the sponsor for it :) taking the time to find out..make inquiries...and promote a niche correctly will pay off for you.. :) By now I've probably embarressed her..but as always.. Big hugs and Hot Wax dreams! Message # 82436 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 19:57:07 2003 |
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came for a driveby and got distracted by the discussion. nice textlinks, Voltar :) hope everyone's having a great weekend! Message # 82435 24.25.250.135 Sat Feb 15 19:42:41 2003 |
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--- 1.Handcuffed and gaged with there own wet panties, these slaves are in need of your male dominance.Click here to go spank them at"____" --- ok..my version.. Sex slaves with pussies so in need they are dripping wet from anticapation of thier spankings! We took thier pussy wet panties, bound and gaged them with them and have them waiting on YOUR arrival for thier spanking! Click now for "sponsors name" and join them before the gals drown in their own horniness juices! --- 2.Hot sluts bound and wet, begging for a firm hand. Waxing, caining, nothing is barred at"____" click here to go there now!! --- ok..my version.. Torrid brats seeking corrective action from a firm master on thier firm 100% female behinds. No holds barred! Cane, Hot Wax, YOUR firm hand on their ass for a spanking you and them will never forget! yes you will find it all right here at the best BDSM site on the net, "sponsors name"! Enter HERE Master. --- 3.Watch these hot submisives squirm as the clothes pinns are applyed, then scream as the zipper comes off!!Click here to go to "_____" for all the pain filled joy!!! --- ok..my version.. Do you know what a "zipper effect" is? Want to find out! Click here and find out as tonight's Top treats his subbie to a zipper at "sponsors name". You are welcome to bring your own cloths pins with you, of course. --- 4.Ever want a leather clad lady of femdom to shackel you and flog you in the shower? Ever want to feel the sting of a cold shower massage after a nice fogging? Go to "____" now, and experiance it all!!! --- ok..my version.. The Mistress is seeking new worms for Her pleasurable yet painful delights and tastes. All who wish to submit to Her Leather Goddessness click HERE to enter "sponsor name", join or give your password at the front door for entrance to the private members only area, and join in and experience the pleasures that are prepared for you there by the Mistress...Hurry you worm! shes waiting, i think a flogging is about to begin..I hope it's me! There you go donald..see how it's more first person..connecting and with some visual stimuli tossed in.. each one for the type of traffic you will get for that type of situation..and it'll pull well..enjoy and use them profitably :) Message # 82434 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 19:21:16 2003 |
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No, you're not, so far as I know. The gold requirements are at the link below. Item 9 reads: Sites are allowed to have a maximum of 4 offsite banners on the main content gallery page. These banners must reside below one of our own AC Gold offsite banner navigation bars. I believe that is the *only* place you're allowed to put offsite links from within the content area. Fortunately, I have found the AC Gold reviewers to be extremely responsive and helpful. They'll give you definitive answers in rapid and friendly fashion :) Even if they change their minds a day later, but that's a different story... Message # 82433 209.134.132.9 Sat Feb 15 19:14:13 2003 |
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Did you get her off the ceiling? LOL ; ) Message # 82432 66.119.33.170 Sat Feb 15 19:00:07 2003 |
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Can anyone tell me if your are allowed to advertise on the gallery pages of an AC Gold site? I'm building one now. I looked and I can't find any mention of gallery page ads at there site. Thanks Message # 82431 68.55.112.100 Sat Feb 15 18:59:09 2003 |
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donald..going to do some for you right now from those :) Message # 82430 148.78.245.13 Sat Feb 15 18:54:07 2003 |
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Hot sluts bound and wet, begging for a firm hand. Waxing, caining, nothing is barred at"____" click here to go there now!! Watch these hot submisives squirm as the clothes pinns are applyed, then scream as the zipper comes off!!Click here to go to "_____" for all the pain filled joy!!! Ever want a leather clad lady of femdom to shackel you and flog you in the shower? Ever want to feel the sting of a cold shower massage after a nice fogging? Go to "____" now, and experiance it all!!! O.k. Voltar, Spank me!! : ) hehehehe Message # 82427 66.119.33.170 Sat Feb 15 18:06:59 2003 |
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********************************************************* Uh, I was just sayin' I know how to tie em' up. :) I in no way think I can sell them on the idea as well as you Voltar. LOL I'm just back in from the job thingy, Let me get the kiddys fed and I'll be back to play. hehehe ; ) Message # 82426 66.119.33.135 Sat Feb 15 17:33:05 2003 |
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i think the best thing i can do is shut up and smile after those comments :) <GRIN> thanks makeitgo..you got on back too. Message # 82425 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 16:37:30 2003 |
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I had missed that in your earlier post...'peel her off the ceiling'?! Dude! You Da Man! LOL! May have to try that one myself...hehe. Can tell you those love swings are big fun too...lol. Message # 82424 68.164.23.210 Sat Feb 15 15:44:17 2003 |
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You have mail now. Have a great day. Message # 82423 24.126.155.6 Sat Feb 15 14:40:16 2003 |
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-------------------------------------------------- Good Lord Voltar! lol... sounds like a heck of a time! That is one position I have yet to experience... lol. And to think I thought I had heard it all! Happy Belated Valentine's Day Everyone! heartfelt hugs and kisses to ya! Message # 82422 205.188.209.138 Sat Feb 15 13:52:20 2003 |
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yea she is :) makeitgo..you have mail BTW :) Message # 82421 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 13:40:11 2003 |
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I was pinned by LadySharlot....she's a good 'pinner'... *grin* Message # 82420 24.81.78.62 Sat Feb 15 13:26:03 2003 |
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yeppers a zipper..that's what it's called..and i happen to know you KNOW exactly all about it :)) Big Hugs! you know if Lady Sharlot and Spider dropped by and saw those posts I bet there would be some more info metioned too..as well as others from arond here also.. so what did you think of the approach i'm presenting to them on the presentation of the BDSM life style...and the cane example.. Message # 82419 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 13:14:26 2003 |
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************ ah... clothespins <perk> Just thought I'd mention that when the clothespins are strung together it's called a *zipper*. Since it isn't always clear in pictures just what is going to happen it is sometimes good to describe things like that in your text. The whole object of a zipper is just what it sounds like... once the clothespins are all attached to the victem... and they are tied up so they can't move... preferably standing with their hands tied to something above them... the string is yanked... just like pulling a zipper.. they all come flying off in a line. This usually produces the most wonderful scream. hehee Clothespins are so much fun, and so versatile. :-) Message # 82418 64.135.203.121 Sat Feb 15 13:04:31 2003 |
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ok the Past Newbie Project sextion has been updated..first time this year..so theres some nice ones there..as always..the newest projects are on the bottom(people always see others they want to look at ont he way to the bottom..so i leave in this fashion) anyways here it is for those who want to check it out :) http://www.vnwr.com/resources/npows/index.html Message # 82417 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 13:02:15 2003 |
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Yeppers...that was a great time at the restaraunt :) Good food and great company. And yea...I think you have talked her into just about anything...lol. That whole selling refrigerators to Eskimos thing...hehe. Hope you're right about the targetted SE traffic on those sales. These are links that haven't been changed in months...traffic (very little) hasn't really changed...and the sales are to several of their sites. But, I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth...just enjoy the ride :) Hey Sare...there's another opening for ya bud...LOL! Speaking of which...tops...bottoms...it's all good! Question is...where do YOU fit in...hubba...hubba! LMAO! Well, back to fpa's...got the GF out doing some grocery shopping...so I can get some work done...woohoo! Great day to ya all :) Message # 82416 68.164.23.210 Sat Feb 15 12:43:26 2003 |
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i just updated the archives of the DFN Weekly BTW..so newbies, if you missed an issue you can check it out..the projects are always in ther as well ..links below or ont he main entrance page of the DFN weekly..the link to the DFN weekly is right above the posts here as well..enjoy everyone.. :) Message # 82415 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 12:24:14 2003 |
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Message # 82414 64.135.203.121 Sat Feb 15 12:19:04 2003 |
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which reminds me i need to update the NPOW page today too :) amber..yea saren wrap..yeppers got a few sets of content like that too :) Message # 82413 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 11:54:38 2003 |
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hi Donald...well i do have a nice build day ahead of me :) just getting some things taken care of..some new things done..etc.. :) so you say you are aware and have knowledge ont he bondage side of things..now that brings to light the ability to share them in a way that the surfer can get them and what you are saying as well..which is a tricky part..drop a couple text links on it on the baord..let me tear them apart and reput them back together for you..include the type of site its promoting..and i'll get you some killer ones made for you :) Message # 82412 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 11:50:06 2003 |
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********************************************** Yummeister.... You just keep leaving that door open, but I will resisit... not gonna say it, not gonna manetion top acting like bottom, not gonna make any "bottom boy" jokes... not gonna not gonna not gonna ;p Good Morning VNWR :) Lets see... VD has now come and gone... (didnt even need no penicillin this year)... We've been building for summer for the past 2 NPOWS.... so.... Must be about time to be working on those Thanksgiving day ideas :) Message # 82411 66.140.68.101 Sat Feb 15 10:35:36 2003 |
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But I do know a little about the bondage aspect of BDSM. You can tie em' with underware tie em with rope tie em' to a cloths line( be careful on that one, lots of variables involved not the least of which is nosey neighbors) LOL hand cuffs gotta a pair of shackels? chains etc............ hehehehe and always try to remember, get their permision before you tie them up. LOL Uhh, just jokin around. hehehe You must of had a good V-Day Voltar, ya seem energetic LOL Message # 82410 216.148.246.70 Sat Feb 15 10:05:46 2003 |
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harleys are good.. I remember our meal at the Harley Davidsone cafe and our trip to the Harley store afterwards..i know you enjoyed yourself...of course trying to talk tamera into showing us her pierced clit while we where there was fun too...she would have done it except for the whole booth of cops right behind her..and even then i almost had her talked into it...did get her to pop a tit out :)) yea it was fun..me, you, sare, jen, OT, Jojasa, tamara, her friend..etc.. :) Donald..just got down to the part about your wife...sorry to here that about her man...yea you are a good man like mitzy says...sorry about the rant on the BDSM..i was using it as a way and chance to show people how to sale better and make more money..also.. bazz...yea some disable the back botton...thing to do..launch it in a new window each time you go there..create a link on a page that opens it in a new window..then you close it down when you are done and go to the next one....as in the work smarter not harder project :) mitzy..ouch on the hubbys hernia..hope it turns out to be a short term and easy fix from the docs..fingers crossed for you! MrYum..sounds alot like good targeted SE traffic on those sales.. WTG! Robbo..yea had a great one...a romatic one..a chilly moonlight stroll to the east race park where they race those one man boats at...some soft music back here..a dacne or two..text link nibbled in the ear..danced right into the bedroom and clothing kissed off..from both parties..and seveal hours later a little sleep.. :) so yea went alright.. :) got to go peal her of the ceiling now so i can get some work done :) Message # 82409 148.78.245.13 Sat Feb 15 09:31:36 2003 |
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Say your gf is giving you a bj..you want to touch her..so badly you can taste it..but you can't..you can't move..can't tell her you like this or that..and she does what she wants..and it's driving you crazy twofold..cause ya can't touch and ya can't say anything..fantasy..ya know? Message # 82408 67.84.42.119 Sat Feb 15 09:27:33 2003 |
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OK..I tried what you said..same thing.. Message # 82407 67.84.42.119 Sat Feb 15 09:24:53 2003 |
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your job..when presenting them and selling the niche/sponsor..is to make sure you present the fantasy, the mind aspect of it..the consentual pleasure that is given from the release and enpowerment that the persons involved experience... many people make the mistake of not doing this..and thsoe are the ones who don't do well in the niche.. Example: it's the sales presentation that will show some one say....getting caned..is not a beating until the flesh is red...no, it's a enpowerment and trust based scenrio that heightens the senses and gives pleasure, meaning, and fulfilment..a different kind of release... to the parites involved.. this is how you make sales..and this is how you go with it as a "life sytle" when you approach a niche...any niche..when you (all newbies) sale something...sell the lifestyle possiblites..fantasies..pleasure from the activity/niche....the illusion that they can enjoy it(the surfer seing it) in a unique way at the sponsor.. you need to ingrain this way of thinking about niches into everything you build.. you will see your sales increase when you do this :) there you go newbies..a huge key and lesson in salesmanship on the net :) Message # 82405 148.78.245.13 Sat Feb 15 09:12:41 2003 |
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there's many other things you can use.. some of which are: toilet paper ties scarfs clothing bamboo wood fur lines softee stuff leather earth(read some of Old Tom's stuff) metal..ie handcufs and restraints.. bondage by using the mind..such as uncrossable lines..and positions unmovable from..reinforced by such things as.. fire(candles lined up around the person so moving even and inch gets a litle to warm..) semi buried..(sand on a beach that sort of thing) pins.. most feared objects (this could be something very uncommon, but totaly to the person their self..could even be rubber duckies placed and keeping a person in a corner..if thier fear is rubber duckies ) cloth pins attached completely arond the body..so one move wrong makes them hit/touch the floor and snap off painfully...picture the person laying down on this one.. cloths pins with a string connectin them all..down the length of the body and the other end tied to something..thus a short lease of sorts is in place... etc.. etc.. all of course between consenting adults.. :) well i rambled on..but you brought up a topic that is a good one and a niche many build for..so i'm sure many people reading this will get some ideas :) Message # 82404 148.78.245.12 Sat Feb 15 08:57:14 2003 |
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Message # 82403 148.78.245.13 Sat Feb 15 08:33:41 2003 |
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badbee...yea reviewing can be a trip sometimes :) just remember..it's all about promoting the sponsor...content is secondary to sales...important yes, but it should be somewhat relevent..or at least made seem that way :) 18 to 23-25 and under can be teen if the look is there...21 to 30ish..babe if the look is there..30 and above mature..or dnustry is based on looks..not very PC i know..but it's all based on illusion and sales marketing...and it looks like you got a good view of that already :) (ps..when reviewing..remember my domains and building style....hehehe) Message # 82402 148.78.245.13 Sat Feb 15 08:23:38 2003 |
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Well, I have a question for the unixgeeks out there...I installed a small script yesterday and every time I configure it to run (done in a browser) it magically chages to being owned by nobody and can't be run..I chmod it to 755 before I start as instructed, along with a few other minor permissions changes. The tech said it was because the script is poorly written????? Could that be it?? Message # 82401 67.84.42.119 Sat Feb 15 07:24:49 2003 |
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hope your head feels better than mine this morning :) I just had to read back throught the board, make sure I hadn't had a rant or said anything I shouldn't have last night. Looks like I survived intact. This gallery reviewing is fun isn't it. I've learnt a bit in the last week including these gems. Sometimes when tgp'ing, dont attach any sponsors at all, just send out a gallery of free pics ??? Any model who looks under the age of 30 is a barely legal teen virgin! Any model who looks over the age of 28 is an experieced cum sucking granny. Obviously the best age to be an adult model must be 28-30, cuz then you've got all the basis covered. And finally, why make the content on the page have any relevance to the sponsor at all, most of the banners are so attractive theses days that surfers are likely to just click on them with no encouragement anyway. Oh well, have a good weekend everybody, I've just got some hot ebony teen content, and I'm gonna build me a gallery selling a nice new grannies with milky one tits sponsor i found. :) Message # 82400 62.64.167.213 Sat Feb 15 06:37:04 2003 |
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