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Good Morning Everyone,

Sorry, Old Tom, I didnt get sucked into trying your evil popup game. A Long time ago, I learned that if someone tells you something is really bad/hurtful/painful/foolish whatever... and then says... "here, you try it" .. you deserve anything you get if you actually try it... since you were warned.

"Hey, I just poked out my eye with this really sharp stick... hurt like a freaking @#$%#^^#$, but it's really cool! You try it!"

No Thank you. :D


Ok, my question and its probably been discussed a few thousand times all ready, but I thought I would try it anyway.

In many of the npow's, there are variations on using the basic free site structure. Basic free site starts at the top with a small weight graphic of some sort, with sales text.. then moves on down the page in whatever configuration you decide to use.

Has anyone tried using banner rotator scripts for the top ad spot... both for graphic and the text, either through a SSI or mysql database call to give the page some sense of life?

I would assume someone here has tried it. I was just curious what you found out.

Thanks.

RMS   Search Engine And Traffic Generation Tools
Message # 72899 172.138.161.28 Sun Dec 8 11:06:32 2002


OTC- you don't need to be evil when you can speak in such an educational, insightful way :o)

I would think there may be times, like with an extreme/hardcore site, that calling somebody a slut might be appealing to the kind of guy that wants that stuff...?

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72898 172.164.142.254 Sun Dec 8 11:06:31 2002


Jojasa was reading you post a bit down on the list and would have to agree with you at least in point. I think most "men" surfers buy into the fantasy. I have seen many times on websites take
BBW as an example. The discribe these women in some real crude terms. Now If I got a thing for big women I don't see them in this light of something to be made as ugly. "Our fat girls are so huge you would think they are a heard of beached whales. Come see the fat ugly bitches shake their flab just for your amusement"
OR
Follow this link for the most beautiful Big women the web has to offer. With our girls there is just so much more to grab on to. Cum in and see these girls are built for comfort. Take them for a test ride and see for yourself.

So guess which link I am more likely to click on.
However this is my own opinion as I see it but for those surfers that like BBW I think insulting what they like is not the way to go:)))

OTC

OTC
Message # 72897 24.222.128.200 Sun Dec 8 10:58:37 2002


Yep Alt-F4 works and CTRL-W if pressed fast enough...

I think the only way to make a truely EVIL popup is to pop about 10 popups that keep popping each other, otherwise the finger is faster then the loading time even on very high connection speeds as the PC still needs to load the IE window into memory...


Mr. Boo   Work is still underway...
Message # 72896 62.137.155.9 Sun Dec 8 10:56:56 2002


Hummm it would seem on the server if your quick enough you can get it to close:(
{hangs head "I not as evil as I thought I was"}

OTC

OTC
Message # 72895 24.222.128.200 Sun Dec 8 10:34:27 2002


OK I made it so if you click the X in the corner fast enough it will close.

I did have it full page without the X but just couldn't be that evil to everyone:)))OTC

OTC
Message # 72894 24.222.128.200 Sun Dec 8 10:31:55 2002


I just did a quick Alt-F4 and all was gone :o)


Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72893 172.129.29.149 Sun Dec 8 10:31:03 2002


Note: I am going to try OTCs link in AOL. I may or may not be back :o)

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72892 172.129.29.149 Sun Dec 8 10:28:57 2002


Thanks Sare, I have a habit of making things *too clean tho, and it is almost scary how many freesites I have (not) made in the past 2 years... I fell into a rut with TGPing, but I really enjoy some of the NPOWs so I found one that I knew I would follow through with, and went for it. As long as I keep up with the SE submits it should be a great one :o))

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72891 172.129.29.149 Sun Dec 8 10:26:22 2002


Waves good AM to everyone.

OMG I have the most evil popup I have ever come across. I have been playing with it this AM trying to find a way out short of rebooting.
I can't say for Netscape but with IE I can't find a way out:)

WARNING!!!
Try this link ONLY if you are willing to reboot your computer to get out.

OTC
Voltar pull this if you think it's toooo nasty:)))

OTC   Most Evil Popup Hell!
Message # 72890 24.222.128.200 Sun Dec 8 10:26:14 2002


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The VNWR Board Bot (The Original Link Trade Sunday)   OT Scripts Affiliate Program
Message # 72889 209.215.97.54 Sun Dec 8 10:03:04 2002


Bailey..yea things like ebony goddess..might do well..while big black booty can get some serious hits..and with this niche as well as many others..don't forget that searches for porn are often not PC, but more of a base nature and crude as well..
take into account words and phrases that are not part of proper society talk...such as
hooker
bitch
cunt
whore
ho
slut
phat
and this applies to phrases as well as single terms..
phat booty
slut lovers
ho hunger
nympho bitch
etc..
bring it home for the surfer.. :)

on another thing..i have noticed a trend by some newbies..that is a bad thing...where ever the advice comes from or if it just happened..stop it! you are hurting yourselfs..
what that is, is to use the word gallery in their site name or a site name that is almost the same as thier sponsor...
so when clicking thru it tricks the unweary surfer into clicking to them insted of into the site...
This is VERY unwise to do...
first it will cost you listings..or get you lower listings..
second you hurt your chances of making good solid sales..
that happens because you basicly send them in via a blind link..blind link traffic..can pick up a few signups..and should be used AFTER presenting the sponsor to them in the best way you can..but if you do this on your entrance page or FPA on your sites..you are just bending over and sticking it in and breaking it off on yourselfs..
it is AFTER the presentation of the sponsor, such as on your internal stuff that you should do the hail mary approach...(best after filtering and retargeting)...for those of you doing this..the above way..adjust and stop trying to take a short cut that is hurting you and your sales..
you need to learn patience in how to control the surfer...
it is a LOT to do with generation and manipulation of traffic...
learn to do it right or the $$$$'s you lose..is right out of your pockets..
understand..YOU are making YOUR checks smaller by jumping the gun with this above mentioned technique..


Voltar (President)   did someone say TGP2
Message # 72888 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 09:56:22 2002


Jojasa
The "skanky black crack whore ghetto hooker" would appeal more to my friend Jim who is white and looking for off beat nasty stuff that he finds exciting. He is completely straight but will search for two headed male midgets who like to have sex with trannies while wearing tutus. He keeps on asking me to find him two ugle trannies that will have sex with each other in front of a group of his friends.

Personally I try to use descriptions that are complementary to the models, but to each their own.

Cleo   - Cleo's Links -
Message # 72887 67.34.75.23 Sun Dec 8 09:53:45 2002


To all those lurking or wanting to start a new niche should read and re-read the last two posts.

"And lastly that men (more black than white)searching in this niche prefer the women to be fuller and rounder."
I have several black friends who date women with fuller butts that would agree with this statement.

"I asked a friend of ours who is mid-30's, single, looks at porn on the net, and is black, what type of approach would make him buy or not buy into an ebony site"

Opinions from friends that are into a niche you're thinking of building are worth there weight in gold.

Just my penny worth.

jazz
Message # 72886 66.31.37.41 Sun Dec 8 09:52:49 2002


a year or so ago I asked a friend of ours who is mid-30's, single, looks at porn on the net, and is black, what type of approach would make him buy or not buy into an ebony site. Basically, he said he looks at all kinds of porn, not specifically searches for black porn. Porn is porn.. i guess most men's minds work like that lol but he did say that when he finds a site that describes the content in very negative, stereotyped terms, such as *skanky black crack whore ghetto hooker*, he isn't going to even look, much less click through to a sponsor. Doesn't matter how sexy or pretty the girl is, he'd never buy what they are advertising. Graphically describing sex is good, but using those kind of terms isn't. I've asked my husband the same kind of questions and got pretty much the same answers. I've shown him sites that come to Hot Slut with that kind of text and he said that he can't figure out why anyone would want to bother with it when he can move on to the next site and find something that he would much rather fantasize about without the text turning him off.

Also, I see black in my search engine keyword stats all the time, but I don't think i've ever seen the word ebony used in a search. So I do use black in my keywords and on the site.

Jojasa (Vice President)
Message # 72885 207.252.105.102 Sun Dec 8 09:34:14 2002


Good Morning :)

I'm still all excited about the gift exchange...what's even more special is that these are gifts that keep giving. Hopefully that will be the case $$$wise - but each time I look at the sites I see different styles, approaches and ideas that I will refer to when building future sites.

Old Tom(jojasa) - re:Message # 72838 Thank you for this "gift" too. I printed it out and it is now part of my "Moms Work - do not touch book" and I know I will be referring to it often too. :)

Mitzy-I was VERY nervous about offending. Before this project I don't think I had ever even looked at an ebony site. It's kinda funny how things work out sometimes. I just happened to be lurking at another board as this project started, and landed in on a "conversation" about this very niche. One of the things mentioned was that the word "ebony" really wasn't used much by people searching in the niche. And that was apparent by a search in overture, "black" was searched for more. I think I would have preferred to use ebony, because...well hell, I guess it just sounded nicer. But black was more appropiate with the sponsor anyway. :) Furthermore, it was stated that the ebony niche was frequented more by white men over 30.(I don't know if its true or where the info came from. I can only say it was posted by an experienced webmaster). And lastly that men (more black than white)searching in this niche prefer the women to be fuller and rounder.
Well that was how I got my introduction to this niche, and I used info when building the site.

Hope all is well and have a great day everyone. :)

Bailey
Message # 72884 24.186.168.27 Sun Dec 8 09:02:58 2002


Amber438
I did a search over at Google and found this,
http://www.lycoris.com/products/desktoplx/

Also here is a review of Lycoris,
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,647820,00.asp

Seems decent enough. Being the geek that I am I'll probably pick one up after the first of next year.

Cleo   - Cleo's Links -
Message # 72883 67.34.75.23 Sun Dec 8 08:50:50 2002


Morning all..
Robbo, hope it does well for ya..!!! I went Xmas shopping yesterday so will fill out my present today:)
Cleo, I have 3 nux boxes here, one mandrake, one red hat 8 and one freebsd..Never heard of that os..maybe old tom has.
Been playing woth these boxes for a few months..web sites take a bot longer to load and java does not work from what I can tell..Browser is a mozilla clone..Most things are pretty kewl..They come with all kinds of programs like and office clone, picture programs, etc..

Amber438
Message # 72882 67.84.42.119 Sun Dec 8 08:43:53 2002


Natasha...honestly..i don't know yet..i havn't been there..but i will let you know when i go there to submit a site or two here in a few minutes :)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72881 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 08:40:49 2002


There are 10 active sites on the Link Trade Sunday list. Scroll to the bottom of this page to see the entire list.
The VNWR Board Bot (The Original Link Trade Sunday)   OT Scripts Affiliate Program
Message # 72880 209.215.97.54 Sun Dec 8 08:39:00 2002


Morning Mitzy!

Incoming :)

Natasha (VNWR Community Member)   crazy t's for non adult xmas sales
Message # 72879 64.229.0.77 Sun Dec 8 08:26:32 2002


Good Morning everyone!!!

Mitzy (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72878 66.76.105.243 Sun Dec 8 08:22:50 2002


Thanks all!!

missed it last week with the redesigning so had to get #1 this time :)

Voltar...what do you think of the new look?

Natasha (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72877 64.229.0.77 Sun Dec 8 08:12:25 2002


Congrads on the number 1 LTS spot Natasha!!


Voltar (President)
Message # 72876 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 08:06:25 2002


Cool im around for LTS....WOOHOO!

Congrats Natasha!


Mr. Boo   Another tour? WTF!
Message # 72875 62.137.155.9 Sun Dec 8 08:04:29 2002


yea i was typing slow this morning :)
Voltar (President)
Message # 72874 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 08:04:25 2002


LTS officially begins NOW..

link sites put your link type site on the growing list at the bottom of this page by clicking on the red LTS link and filling it out..

webmasters..click on the sites on the growing table at the bottom of the board and read their rules and give them some kick ass sites and galleries :)

Lets Get IT ON!!!
:)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72873 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 08:03:34 2002


Morning all :)
ChristyB
Message # 72872 62.31.224.3 Sun Dec 8 08:03:17 2002


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The VNWR Board Bot (The Original Link Trade Sunday)   OT Scripts Affiliate Program
Message # 72871 209.215.97.54 Sun Dec 8 08:03:14 2002


wtg Natasha :-)

Jojasa (Vice President)
Message # 72870 207.252.105.102 Sun Dec 8 08:03:02 2002


morning Voltar

Jojasa (Retired)
Message # 72869 207.252.105.102 Sun Dec 8 08:01:45 2002


morning all...

so whos ready for LTS to begin,...

:)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72868 148.78.247.10 Sun Dec 8 08:00:04 2002


just a reminder about Voltar's Newbie Breakfast. Four weeks from tomorrow the convention starts in Vegas. We like to keep a list going of who will be there from vnwr just so we can try to find and meet everyone. Anyone who's been to one of these knows how hard it is to find someone in the crowd. So.. if you are planning on going, please sign up on the list and come to the newbie breakfast! About a week before the convention I'll be sending out a note to everyone on the list with a couple of our cell phone #'s and info on how to find us.
Jojasa (Vice President)   Breakfast with Voltar in Vegas
Message # 72867 207.252.105.102 Sun Dec 8 07:44:25 2002


morning/evening all!

Great christmas gifts everyone!

Natasha (VNWR Community Member)   pda spidey food
Message # 72866 64.229.0.77 Sun Dec 8 07:31:41 2002


good morning world :-)
Everyone did a great job on the Christmas gifts. and sare, thank you so much for the one you did, lots of work there and I think it's great!

Jojasa (Vice President)
Message # 72865 207.252.105.102 Sun Dec 8 07:31:05 2002


Good Morning All :)

Old Tom
Thanks, helvetica, kewl already in my style sheets. This is the Linux box that seems to be selling so well, http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1BA122B2
Hell I might buy one after X-mas. It will probably be even cheaper then, lol.

Cleo   Cleo's Links
Message # 72864 67.34.75.23 Sun Dec 8 07:30:38 2002


Morning Everyone!!

hope all are well this fine sunday am, its finally starting to feel like the florida winters that i used to hear about..lol now that i live here.. :)

massman
Message # 72863 67.9.46.101 Sun Dec 8 07:19:19 2002


Morning all!!

Robbo, very nice gallery there LOL :)

Mr. Boo
Message # 72862 62.137.155.9 Sun Dec 8 04:13:43 2002


Good night everyone :)
MERRY XXX-MAS!!!

Donald
Message # 72861 170.224.224.102 Sun Dec 8 02:21:21 2002


Good night sarettah!!
Donald
Message # 72860 66.119.34.39 Sun Dec 8 00:56:55 2002


Good Night VNWR :)

Thanx for the early Christmas today :)


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)   My Christmas present from Magus, all filled in :)
Message # 72859 66.140.68.101 Sun Dec 8 00:54:35 2002


Hey Old Tom,:)
That law was still in use about 20 years ago. My father's favarote saying was,"If I don't whip your butt I'm gonna hang your butt."(censered version):o LOL... :)

Donald
Message # 72858 66.119.33.135 Sun Dec 8 00:28:01 2002


True, the cat o' nine tails, as used in the Royal Navy, was not intended to be a good time. It should thus be no surprise that *objecting* to being flogged was a hanging offense, two hundred years ago.

Good night everybody!

Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72857 209.134.132.9 Sun Dec 8 00:10:18 2002


Back again...

Jennifer, I took a quick look at your A-Z... I like it :) Nice and clean, simple navigation :)

The SE's are gonna love it....


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72856 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 23:55:56 2002


I almost used "yikes! ugly chicks" for Y
*******************************************

rotflmfao... I love it !!!

Good evening VNWR :)

*****************
Cards?
*****************

Hi Barron :) Dont think you missed anything. Some of us put a little entry page into our gift exchange is all...like a card :)


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72855 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 23:53:31 2002


Cards?

Ut oh... I think I missed something :(


I know this is a little late..but Congrats Magus :)


Barron (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72854 209.134.140.11 Sat Dec 7 23:36:31 2002


Well I submited my xmas gift gallery to a bunch of my favorite places tonight! Anxious to see how it goes being different from my usual tgp fare! Thanks again Amber!

Robbo (VNWR Community Member)   plump presents
Message # 72853 24.51.20.124 Sat Dec 7 23:27:08 2002


:o)

Good night Old Tom (I thought of you earlier when watching "Crime and Punishment" on one of the History channels- some guy was flogged with the cat o' nine tails- not my idea of a good time!)
LOL...

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72852 172.164.218.16 Sat Dec 7 23:13:53 2002


Good night Jennifer!
Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72851 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 23:09:39 2002


Alrighty, I think I have a decent start here... that's one thing I didn't take advantage of (yet) is different pages, or even different tours. It will take some tweaking, but I already submitted the main page to a bunch of SEs earlier tonight, and now I am about ready for bed, so I believe I will leave it alone for now. :o)


Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)   really good porn, A to Z
Message # 72850 172.164.218.16 Sat Dec 7 23:04:16 2002


Cleo - I have my default font set to Helvetica. You can probably count on all unix-like systems having Helvetica available.
Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72849 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 22:58:57 2002


and jennifer..for many sponsors you can now link to specific pages of the tours that represent different main themes..that too can be an option to use with it :)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72848 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 22:58:12 2002


Ooooohhh... ok then, that makes it really easy! I almost used "yikes! ugly chicks" for Y but I thought it was stretching it a little far... but if I can go with stuff like that, there's no reason not to make a link for every single one of this sponser's sites :o)

For some reason, I think the hub, the sling, and this are my favorite projects so far... no content makes it easy!

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72847 172.164.218.16 Sat Dec 7 22:50:25 2002


jennifer...
Zipper, Zing, Zap, Zowee, Zany, Zesty Teens, Zodiac Hardcore, Zonked, Zit Faced Biker Babes, etc...and variations of..
:)
link them to sites that could be described that way..

Voltar (President)
Message # 72846 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 22:45:33 2002


Evening all...
:)

Old Tom..nice site/gift! nice keyword and phrase usage on the FPA!
(yea i caught the preload before just reading your post ..always a good move!)
very good solid sales techniques in it..i liked the way you talked to them from the start...that approach has a niche effect on sales..
and thanks for the kind words on the gallery i made as well..you captured what it does and why very well..

thanks to everyone for the comments on the project, it was a fun one for all and one i think the entire community learned from as well..
you all did a wonderful job on it!
Big Kudos!!!

mryum..nope they were all randomly picked..but it did work out well.. :)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72845 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 22:39:23 2002


Sare- Z

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72844 172.164.218.16 Sat Dec 7 22:38:49 2002


Wow Old Tom!! Yes deffinately cut and paste material...
Mitzy (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72843 66.76.105.243 Sat Dec 7 22:15:11 2002


- 25 is good enough!
******************************

Jennifer... What letter are you missing? :)

******************************
, Sarettah, yes... I'll be playing with mine later too.
******************************

Had to go back and look at my messages :) before I wrote back an obvious type reply like "sounds like content to me" ;p


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72842 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 22:10:07 2002


LOL, Sarettah, yes... I'll be playing with mine later too.

MrYum.. of course thats what you meant.. sorry.. I understand, my text is always xxx rated...lol... YOu did a good job.

Bailey...Well, you do ebony very well. When I started doing ebony I worried about offending someone... but hell... look how we talk about women!! LOL Its a good niche for me tho... Old Tom did a great job on yours too!! Cool!!!

Mitzy (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72841 66.76.105.243 Sat Dec 7 21:56:24 2002


Cut and paste on OT's explanation.... That one needs to go up in the tutorials along with the 2 sites mentioned....

excellent information it looks to me :)

Thanx OT...............


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72840 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 21:43:17 2002


Old Tom
What is the default fonts for the web on a Linux system?

Cleo   personal work
Message # 72839 67.34.75.23 Sat Dec 7 21:36:20 2002


Hi Bailey :)

Yes, the different approach was the one thing I figured I *could* offer.

I had no idea of what to do with the niche... but we *do* teach what to do when you have no idea of what to do... so we did :)

What's my objective? Sell memberships. To what? Threepillows.com. Is it a pay per signup or partnership? Partnership. Therefore I am interested in the member sticking around.

So. I studied the sales tour, and the marketing materials. I did a google search and looked at other feeder sites. I read back through the recent maxcash newsletters - there's a good series on marketing to gay men.

The classic approach is to get 'em warmed up - hot and bothered - and send 'em to the sponsor to secure the sale. The trouble is, I have no idea of how to get such a person warmed up. So... what to do?

There *is* another approach. It's an emotional approach that just might work for this situation. It's highly targeted - but if a person responds, he or she may well stay a member forever. With a partnership program, that *is* the kind of person you want!

I discovered, in my background "research," that bi-curious people are far less likely to be "open" about that fact, than either fully-gay or fully-het people. Thus, the "comfort level" is a critical factor.

Consider this: If it's something you really want - and perhaps did not even know it was available - and it's presented in the right environment, cost does NOT matter. If it's right, it's right. If it *feels* right on an emotional level, you've made a sale.

We're dealing with a repressed area of interest (or so I gather from the background reading). Thus if I can bring around a feeling of rightness, this will be a very STRONG emotional response.

That's the approach I chose. Now, how to package it?

Bright (pure, not pastel) colors. Fun. Fun means relaxed, barriers down. Bright colors go along with the holiday season - we purposely chose the same colors - and will go well with springtime. If the content itself takes care of the "hot and bothered" part, the packaging can take care of the "feels right" emotional response.

Too many words, or too few? With a single-sponsor site, this became an easy choice. We already know that *any* click will go right to the primary sponsor. If you like the content, you'll very possibly click on the banner.

As the surfer comes in from one page to the next, I used different variations on the theme, and different lengths of text. At some point, hopefully, something will "click". The site is really just a five-page ad.

The full page ad itself is rather lame at first glance. One of its main purposes is to pre-load the banners used in the site itself. Its *other* purpose is to burn in the "welcome home" theme for those who missed it on the warning page. For a select few, those words will trigger a strong emotional response.

We built the site title as an echo of an old Everly Brothers song. Most will miss it, but the few who catch it may cruise through the site with a bit of an emotional response in the background.

Will this approach actually sell memberships? Who knows! But it's a different approach from anything else I noticed out there, and that may have its value.

Now to take a look at Voltar's project...

I didn't see what he did until just now. He's promoting the same niche, same sponsor - and, as expected, in very different fashion. He has well-tried methods for making the sale with a custom tgp gallery. As for myself, I'm better with the five-page ad... :)

You'll notice he talks right *to* the surfer. (He also makes better use of alt tags than I did.) He creates a gallery of unusual quality to grab the surfer's attention, and then talks right to him or her. If it's the right niche for that surfer, he'll click on through!

You'll see there's no attempt to filter or qualify the surfer. If they're here, we assume they're here for the right reason. If it's not the right person, there's no point in trying to work them into the sale. This is a high-precision approach - don't blunt down your approach for the masses.

Suppose someone surfs on through that is the *perfect* Three Pillows member. They'll sign up, and stay there forever. Choose the bait such that *this* person will recognize it, and LEAP at the chance. That's the approach Voltar took, and that's the approach Jojasa and I took.

If you can find a way to reach in and grab by the emotions, you'll probably have a sale.

Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72838 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 21:30:33 2002


Good Evening VNWR :)

Just got back......

OT, you are quite welcome... glad you like it:)

Gonna go pick a set and load it up into my new TGP :)

Thanx again Magus ....

I love playing with my new toy(s) on Christmas... This is kind of like that... Opened presents, got to watch other folk open theirs.... Took a long nap, now it's time to play with the toys :))


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72837 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 19:46:18 2002


Yeehaw- I have done a NPOW for the first time in close to a year- I couldn't think of one alphabet-letter- niche, but to heck with it- 25 is good enough!
Thanks Voltar, I did some brainstorming in order to get started... unfortunately I couldn't really use all of the niches I came up with because I am on a sponser-owned freehost, so I made do with what I had.

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72836 172.154.11.31 Sat Dec 7 19:45:49 2002


Hello again,
Looks like everyones been haveing a good XXXmas!! :)

Donald
Message # 72835 170.224.224.134 Sat Dec 7 19:15:30 2002


Voltar your welcome! I`m not known for the prettiest sites but I think the search engines will like it! :)

I better hit post before my daughter hits the power button again! *$%&($*

Robbo (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72834 24.51.20.124 Sat Dec 7 19:14:14 2002


Very nice sites all. I can hear the tellers stamping those checks now :-)

Voltar thanks for those npow links. I'm sure they'll help me out quite a bit. I'll be sure to let you know how I make out.

Time to shut down and spend some time with my better half. Have a great night all.

jazz
Message # 72833 66.31.37.41 Sat Dec 7 19:13:25 2002


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Message # 72832 127.0.0.1 Sat Dec 7 18:57:44 2002


Hi Jojasa , old Tom :)

I just open my gift!! Thank you so much!:)) I love it!!
I just started to get into this niche and your gift showed me another way to approach it. I really love the colors too.

Thank you again - it's awesome! :))

p.s. The sleigh and reindeer are sooo cool...wish I could show it to my kids. lol




Bailey
Message # 72831 24.186.168.27 Sat Dec 7 18:57:44 2002


Sarettah, what a great site - and what a great card! I even fired up the computer with IE so as to see it properly!

That site will work well as a tier 1 AdultCheck site too; very cool indeed!

I loved the card, but don't tell Jojasa (shhh...)!

Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72830 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 18:39:06 2002


Good evening... time to catch up on the board and the email...



Old Tom (Vice President)
Message # 72829 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 18:24:28 2002


Merry Xmas Bailey!
here is your VNWR gift exchange present.
http://www.hotslutlinks.com/bailey/bailey.html

From Old Tom and Jojasa :-)



Old Tom (Vice President)   Adult Traffic Generation!
Message # 72828 209.134.132.9 Sat Dec 7 18:23:22 2002


Good morning everyone ;)

Jojosa *waves* 15 years of soccer training and matches.. ugh! 15 years of traipsing after sports .. ugh! I'll have to mentally block out that thought! :))

What awesome gift exchanges! Very cool! :))

Kathy (VNWR Community Member)   for the spiders
Message # 72827 198.142.147.235 Sat Dec 7 18:15:56 2002


Afternoon all ;)

Yea, Mitzy...in my early work, I used a lot of hardcore stuff...NOT any more ;) I agree 100%...make em pay for the good stuff! I DO still use hardcore banners though...after all, that's the idea...ya want hardcore...go here and pay for it!

What I meant about going very softcore on the gift site was I even tried to keep the text softcore...more suggestive than anything else ;) And usually, my text is anything but softcore...hehe.

Magus...I'm SO glad you like the site! It was a blast building it for ya buddy ;) And much like everyone else, it was a great learning experience in a new niche ;)

Hmmm...wonder if Voltar matched these up on purpose. Seems like most everyone ended up doing niches they'd never worked before. He certainly IS a clever fellow...lol.

GREAT day everyone!

MrYum   mmm...sexy mom spider food...
Message # 72826 66.32.25.112 Sat Dec 7 17:17:29 2002


Good Afternoon everyone...

I was out shopping a lot longer than I had planned on. HO! HO! HO! :(

Mitzy I'm glad you liked the site. I knew absolutely nothing about this niche, so it was quite a challenge for me. But I enjoyed every minute of it!

The sites are really awesome. This was a great project. Count me in for next year!

Well I went thru them all quickly, I'm going to go back and take a longer second peek at them now.
This was fun! Thanks Voltar. :)



Bailey
Message # 72825 24.186.168.27 Sat Dec 7 16:44:38 2002


Robbo...thanks!!
looks good!!!
I'll be trying it out tomarrow :)

its a site i havn't promoted yet..so its going to be cool!
Thanks again!! I like!

Hi Electra!
Hi Dravyk!

well i have a xmas thing to go to..not sure how late it will be..see you all in the morning for LTS if not before..
You have done very well!!

Voltar (President)
Message # 72824 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 16:38:44 2002


Good december afternoon everyone :))

I toast all of you for a year well done!

Merlin (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72823 67.97.204.64 Sat Dec 7 16:27:34 2002


Mr.Yum... In my opinion, softcore is the best to sell porn with. I seldom use hardcore and ususally if I do its sponsor content for tgp2...lol... Make them pay for the good stuff. Hardcore banners on the other hand is another story..lol...

Mitzy (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72822 66.76.105.243 Sat Dec 7 16:26:16 2002


Electra and Dravyk! thank you for the kudos!


Sarettah, wear it in good health. merry xams!


MrYum, I am completey floored! that was a wonderful gift. i am goona go play with it tonight!

Magus (Editor DFN Weekly)   DFN Weekly, have YOU contirbuted? Write an article today!
Message # 72821 24.88.164.12 Sat Dec 7 15:49:08 2002


Just heard the news and wanted to add my congrats and good wishes to Magus on his new job. WTG ! :)
Electra
Message # 72820 65.178.17.109 Sat Dec 7 15:17:06 2002


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Message # 72819 127.0.0.1 Sat Dec 7 15:09:53 2002


Cool news Voltar! Yea, it would be fun to do this again next year ;) And thanks for the kind words...I had a lot of fun building that site ;) It's a niche I've never touched before, the whole glamour babes thing...always fun to do new stuff! Yea, since it's a glamour model kinda thing...I tried really hard to keep it very softcore...which is tough for me...lol.

And Mitzy...thanks to you for the kind words too Sweetie ;) Finding good keywords was where I spent a good portion of the build time ;)

Think I'm gonna have to buy a BBW domain as a proper home for the site you built for me ;) It deserves it! Very cool...

Oh, Sare...are you using outlook by chance? If so, I've run into that problem before. If you reply to someone's e-mail, or forward an e-mail...it will appear to come from whatever e-mail addy received it in the first place. Doesn't matter what your default e-mail addy is in that case ;) Hope that helps buddy ;)

MrYum
Message # 72818 216.175.81.27 Sat Dec 7 15:09:53 2002


BTW if you clicked the tgp link in the gift and it did`nt work ... well it does now! ;)

Robbo (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72817 24.51.20.124 Sat Dec 7 15:00:36 2002


Amber thanks so much for the gift it looks great! I can`t wait to use it!

I have to take care of some things but I`ll be back in a bit. I wanted to make sure I got the gift exchange taken care of before the afternoon is done though.

Robbo (VNWR Community Member)   .
Message # 72816 24.51.20.124 Sat Dec 7 14:57:54 2002


Good day!

Voltar here is your christmas present and since every site comes with two galleries you get a site and the tgp! Merry xmas and thanks for all you do!!!

http://www.promwhores.com/npows/gifte/index.html
http://www.promwhores.com/npows/gifte/tgp.html

Robbo (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72815 24.51.20.124 Sat Dec 7 14:53:17 2002


lolol....

If you are going to enter the contest....
do it from this one..... :)
blatant plug...lol...
click quick before the message gets pulled....

look up in the message, its a bird, its a plane, its spam....

Not bird or plane or even spam just sarettah running around on the lam....

(dont ask me, hell it rhymed)




sarettah (VNWR Community Member)   Dravyks contest :)
Message # 72814 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 14:50:56 2002


Hi all. Yes I know I don't get to post over here that often, and when I do it seems there is something to plug. But, thankfully, Voltar has given me permission to do so. Thank you, buddy!

But first I just want to say many congrats to Magus on his new position as DFN Weekly's Editor!!! Magus has worked with us at All Of 'Em in the past. Twice in fact! So he's put in some large amount of time with us and all I can say is he is a great guy and VNWR and DFN should be thrilled to have acquired an excellent and valuable asset in him!! WTG Magus!!!

Ah the other thing ... I figured it would be ashame if the "Voltarians" weren't made aware of this, as I've seen very few if any of you listed in the contest/newsletter database. I'll keep it simple and you can click the link if you're interested.

Basically our newsletter has been running a contest for over the last six weeks and there's only about four days left in which to register. There is nearly $42K in content from a who's who list of industry providers up for grabs. Four prizes with the grand prize being over $17K in content and plugins. Even our third prize don't suck with it being worth over $4,000. :-)

I didn't want you guys to not be aware of it or not have a chance to go for it, and Voltar agreed. Good luck to all the contestants and thanks for your time!

Dravyk   Last four days to win $40K in content
Message # 72813 64.194.239.157 Sat Dec 7 14:42:22 2002


Damn...

My email automatically sent from the wrong box again :( I am going to resend from my hatteras designs box Voltar, I dont want you having to keep track of my 500 addresses...

I can't figure out why it is doing that...I have hatt designs set as default...hmmm....

But for now, I have to remember to look at my from address before hitting the button....

sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72812 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 14:41:42 2002


Jennifer...think niche keywords...and then link those :)
that should help you some on the A - Z project :)

cool Sare i'll look for it..

the gift exchange continues..remember that not everyone can be here at exactly noon so there are still a couple more to come today..very glad everyone is likeing and learning from them..
and mitzy..thanks..very kind words :)

Voltar (President)   a Pear of a Pussy
Message # 72811 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 14:37:34 2002


but my "inney" is now an "outtey
**********************************

You've got an outtey Jennifer ???

hehe, I've got an inney :)

We could play "snaps" ;p


sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72810 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 14:34:27 2002


Robbo- nope you didn't miss the belly pic, I just wanted to make sure not to offend anyone with my big preggo belly so I figured I wait it out at least until everyone has eaten (don't need any spewing into the keyboards going on or anything!) LOL, just kidding, 3 kids and still not a stretch mark, but my "inney" is now an "outtey"- ick!


Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72809 172.134.42.24 Sat Dec 7 14:30:35 2002


Voltar...you have mail :)

sarettah (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72808 66.140.68.101 Sat Dec 7 14:29:12 2002


Wow, you are all so good at this! Just had to pop in and take a look at the gift exchange before going back to work- am doing the A to Z npow this weekend, and only have 3 more letters to think of niches for. <fingers crossed>

Jennifer (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72807 172.134.42.24 Sat Dec 7 14:26:14 2002


Yea!! I'm back at my computer!

Your Welcome Mr Yum.. Glad you liked it. I had a blast building it for sure. Your site is very nice!! From the layout to the keywords.. Great Job.

Everyone did a great job as well. This was a good learning experience in more ways than one... Voltar is a wise man... but we know that :) And tis the season for wise men.

Bailey, thanks again for a fantastic site!!!I can't wait to show it off!!!

Mitzy (VNWR Community Member)
Message # 72806 66.76.105.243 Sat Dec 7 14:06:52 2002


Morning all - great presents you've all got there. They look great :)
Steve   just some titbits for spiders
Message # 72805 144.137.16.96 Sat Dec 7 13:40:45 2002


Yea Mr. Yum it is exciting isn't it!!
i think we will have another one next year as well... :)

your gift is looking good..nice approach to an amateur site..good color choices too..very softcore teases too..those do work :)



Voltar (President)   one pair of lubed up lesbians
Message # 72804 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 13:16:19 2002


Morning everyone!

Woohoo! It's xmas morning...always loved that time as a kid ;)

Mitzy...the site looks AWESOME! Thank you SO much! Having never done BBW, I really didn't have any idea how to approach the niche. You DEFINITELY found it! VERY cool...Thank You!

And all the other sites look absolutely great! Excellent job everyone...to use a Voltar...WTG!

And Magus...thanks for all the help you've given me buddy. Worked out great that I got to build a little something for you ;)

I should note here that Magus gave me access to the site being promoted so I was able to plug in some content to really get an idea of how the finished site could look ;)

Voltar...thanks much for putting this together! Lots of fun...AND very educational ;)

Merry Xmas everyone!

Mmmm...BBW...YUM! Thanks again Mitzy...it rocks!

MrYum   Merry Xmas Magus ;)
Message # 72803 216.175.81.27 Sat Dec 7 12:51:53 2002


amber thank you!
i made it so it's universal in use for you..you can tgp, tgp2 or take out the top 5 pics..ad in sales text and use that part alone as a FPA also..

i see you got your gift tweeked and ready to rool too..very cool..i know you worked hard on it this past week and learned alot..WTG!

Donald..yea they are! very cool! and you are doing exactly right by looking at them and getting ideas..i see some people making money from this project :)

Voltar (President)
Message # 72802 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 12:38:20 2002


They all look so great!!
amber438
Message # 72801 67.84.42.119 Sat Dec 7 12:28:39 2002


a reminder of what we are doing today..
it's a gift exchange today..from this project..
http://www.vnwr.com/npows/gifte2.html


note: these sites and galleries are the sole property of the person recieving them..the person making them might also use them..but are being seen by a vast number of link lists and tgps(close to 100 link site owners and reviewers that i know of..many more as well i'm sure)..if you copy them..steal them..you will get caught and blasted off into space just before the nuke tied to your ass blows up...so don't do it..
do take the time to look at these fine sites and galleries and get sales ideas for yourself..and then create something unique for you :)

alright..so far looks like a fun day today!
sorry for the little disclaimer..but better safe than sorry..we do get thousands of webmasters here a day..

Voltar (President)
Message # 72800 148.78.247.10 Sat Dec 7 12:11:21 2002



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